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Spotlight on … Christine Schutt Prosperous Friends (2012)

 

‘I do not want an impenetrable style but prize compression and music. I abhor quotidian easy speak, psychobabble, brands, news and slogans—a “writer’s prose” as Gordon Lish once described it. Mine calls for close, hard readers of fiction. This year in reviews of Prosperous Friends, I was bumped up from being a writer’s writer to being a writer’s writer’s writer; either way, it cautions challenging prose ahead. A lot is left unsaid and must be inferred simply because I want to avoid the dulling effect of belated language.’ — Christine Schutt

‘What do we make of the adjective poetic when applied to prose fiction? While meant as praise, the modifier often sways backhandedly—as eclectic does for a menu—warning that what’s ahead may prove puzzling at best or downright indigestible at worst. Certainly the description indicates the presence of typical techniques—rhythm, alliteration, figurative language, and the like—as well as a density of both locution and imagery. But when used to characterize prose, on book jackets or in reviews, there’s an abiding sense the word also signals effeteness and self-indulgence.

‘Christine Schutt has been tagged with this adjective throughout her career. Indeed, quotes from John Ashbery, who selected Nightwork as a best book of the year for the Times Literary Supplement in 1996, can be found among her blurbs. And the much-lauded author (National Book Award nomination, recipient of a Pushcart Prize and a Guggenheim, and a finalist for a Pulitzer) has done rather nicely despite the designation’s ambiguities. Still, it bears pondering, just what is this hybrid blossom, poetic prose, and how is Schutt’s fiction—rather commonly themed around incest, emotional disturbance, marital dissolution—particularly different for its presence in her pages?

‘Schutt works surprise and dislocation into the midst of efficient description to piercing effect: The plaintive “I wanted it” in the wake of the elegantly turned “smoke-thin nightgown,” or the aptly architectural “crooked roof of her arm” preceding the guttural “gagged and heaving sorrow”—these micro-contrasts in tone and imagery ably mimic consciousness at its most alert, most mutable, in short, most transcendent. The shifts set off tiny detonations that build in much the way that, say, a sonnet assembles revelations toward its clinching couplet. In Schutt, the poetic in her prose is not the obvious lyricism and compression, but their relation to the mundane and the broadness of plainspoken expression. When these juxtapositions succeed, she performs what Baudelaire, in the preface to Paris Spleen, calls the “miracle of a poetic prose,” writing that’s “musical though rhythmless and rhymeless, flexible yet rugged enough to identify with the lyrical impulses of the soul, the ebbs and flow of reverie, the pangs of conscience.”

‘Schutt may treat Fitzgeraldian themes of marriage, money, and thwarted affection (Isabel even quotes Nick Carraway’s famous line about being “both enchanted and repelled by the inexhaustible variety of life”), yet her style is stately, more Jamesian, although her elliptical tack is James on a severe diet. This concision and its consequent rhythm—the narrator’s perceptions and the characters’ thoughts register in quick bursts of sharply struck notes—excite us; in their brevity and elevated pitch, her sentences sound ready to pounce upon intimate disclosure. Like James, Schutt penetrates to the core energies of human drama with a pointillist’s touch; feeling is lent graceful shape, less readily apprehensible, but ultimately more incisive. The poetic devices, however, can sometimes prove more compelling than the discovered content. But such instances only throw into relief the overall risk Schutt takes. Prosperous Friends presses adventurously against mere telling’s quotidian restrictions and attempts to enact “the lyrical impulses of the soul.”’ — Albert Mobilio, Bookforum

 

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Further

Christine Schutt
Christine Schutt @ goodreads
A Conversation Between Christine Schutt and Diane Williams
Podcast: Christine Schutt on Bookworm
Correspondence with Christine Schutt
The Crass Class in Christine Schutt’s “Pure Hollywood”
Pure Hollywood – stories to take you out of your comfort zone
ISSUE 4 An Interview with Christine Schutt
Christine Schutt: Learning What You Do Well
Podcast: Between the Covers: Christine Schutt: Pure Hollywood
‘The Blood Jet’, by Christine Schutt
“Remembered Landscapes,” an Interview with Christine Schutt
‘The Dot Sisters’, by Christine Schutt
Uncomfortable Places
Glitz & Infidelity: On Christine Schutt’s ‘Pure Hollywood’
“something else, with it, in the sky”
the garden of earthly delights: christine schutt’s pure hollywood
Atmospheric Disturbances
Hanging Out With Christine Schutt
The Graduate
Matt Bell on Christine Schutt
Buy ‘Pure Hollywood’

 

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Extras


Christine Schutt’s First Time


Christine Schutt Fiction Craft Lecture


Christine Schutt: The Writers Studio Reading Series

 

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Interview

 

Michelle Y. Burke: One of the things I admire most about your writing is how it sounds. Your sentences are so rich and lyrical. To what extent are you thinking about sound when you’re writing?

Christine Schutt: I do think about sound. What I want to do is wed sound to scene. What comes first is a picture. I’m thinking of the way my new book, Prosperous Friends, begins. I had this idea that there would be a couple in their mid-thirties outside of London, maybe in the Fens, near a priory or a church. I was remembering my own experience at that age, being in those sorts of churches, and the stones, and the moss on the stones, and the coldness of it. I thought about that a lot, and I thought about what the couple was doing. They’re alone. He wants to surprise her and be sexually risky. I wanted to get a sound that would call up or be right for those stones and that place.

Burke: Is that how you start a new novel or story—an image catches your attention and you find the sound from there?

Schutt: Sometimes there’s an image, yes, and the language comes so fast on it. I look at something for a long time and roll over words right to the occasion.

Burke: Is that also true when you’re creating a character? Does the character come from an imagined scene or image?

Schutt: When I was creating one of the characters in Prosperous Friends, I looked at a postcard picture of Dante Gabriel Rossetti. I bought it at the National Portrait Gallery. Then there was this quality my younger son had when his hair was long, and then there was someone I was making up: a handsome young man with a side-part. I liked this character so well I gave him some success.

Burke: Your story collections are like catalogues of compelling first sentences. The first sentence of “Teachers” in Nightwork—“She told her daughter as she might a love such things her lover said were best kept secret from a girl”—does amazing work at the syntactical level. What do you expect from a good first sentence, and how do you move forward from there?

Schutt: When I was an MFA student at Columbia, I was in class with people who even then were able to tell a story. I could not. What I could do, and what I was praised for doing, was write a great sentence. It was my only pride. When I tried to write a story, I thought what I was good at had to be put aside in favor of advancing the narrative. I would have a nice, rich opening, and then suddenly, I’d think about how I had to move the character across the room. The character had to say something, do something. Dreaded dialogue. I still have to work hard on it. Now I often take out every other line of dialogue. Then it actually sounds like human speech. Then you get something interesting.

Any success I had early on had to do with the fact that people would say, “Wow, you can really write a sentence.” Gordon Lish taught me how to use what I was good at to tell a story.

Burke: Has your writing changed on the sentence level?

Schutt: Yes. I’m not packing every sentence anymore. I’m not indulging that tendency as much. When I was writing Nightwork, I loaded the sentences because I could; I hyphenated a lot to make adjectives, very self-indulgent. I did that to a lesser degree in the second collection of stories, Day and Night. I have been looking for other sources of interest, along with interest in language and finding different ways of getting drama. So, yes, Prosperous Friends is different. I mean, there are descriptions of houses and barns I am proud of. I love dying barns. I love to look at them, but the characters and their movement take precedence; the exchanges between characters are sharper.

I was very confident about Prosperous Friends for a long time. I went around bragging about it, saying this is it, this is the best thing I’ve done. I surprised myself by saying such things. I’m a little superstitious. I thought I should stop bragging. The first time I turned it in, my agent said the novel was too difficult, too elliptical. Who are these people? How old are they? Where are they? The kinds of questions I’ve always been asked.

Then I had a younger reader weigh in on the sexual dysfunctions the book explores. She said, no, these kinds of dysfunctions don’t exist anymore. They’ve gone away. I was devastated when she said that. I thought, my god, they’ve really advanced, but I decided to keep all of the sexual dysfunction in, because they can’t be all cleared up, right? Not for everyone. It really threw me for a loop. Here I was writing about people in their late 30s and 40s, and I suddenly thought that perhaps I really missed the boat. Perhaps young people today are entirely liberated, at ease with their sexuality, and women are having orgasms left and right. In the end, I decided that can’t be the case, but it really caused me to have a crisis of confidence. A real crisis.

I wrote a new beginning to the book at one point. It was very clunky, but it came very easily, and I thought, all right, maybe this is the way to go, but I ended up throwing it out. When I came back from teaching in California, I got rid of it. But I inserted other things, clarifying things, and the book is finished, but I have not felt that initial certainty of its worth.

Burke: Do you think of your work as challenging? Difficult?

Schutt: No, I don’t. I haven’t. That’s why it unsettled me to have what I’d thought was finished returned with questions. My agent said all of the things that people said when I was doing my MFA: The writing is great, but where are we? How old are these characters? In the last draft of Prosperous Friends I changed the chapter titles to place names and the year.

Overall, I don’t think my work is difficult. I don’t write jolly stories, so maybe that’s hard for some readers.

 

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Book

Christine Schutt Prosperous Friends
Grove Atlantic

‘Described by John Ashbery as “pared down but rich, dense, fevered, exactly right and even eerily beautiful,” Christine Schutt’s prose has earned her comparisons to Emily Dickinson and Eudora Welty. The New York Times Book Review described Schutt’s All Souls as “shot through with [Virginia] Woolf’s lyrical, restless spirit.” In her new novel, Schutt delivers a pitch-perfect, timeless, and original work on the spectacle of love.

Prosperous Friends follows the evolution of a young couple’s marriage as it is challenged by the quandaries of longing and sexual self-discovery. The glamorous and gifted Ned Bourne and his pretty wife, Isabel, travel to London, New York, and Maine in hopes of realizing their artistic promise, but their quest for sexual fulfillment is less assured. Past lovers and new infatuations, doubt and indifference threaten to bankrupt the marriage. The Bournes’ fantasies for their future finally give way to a deepened perspective in the company of an older, celebrated artist, Clive Harris, and his wife, a poet, Dinah Harris. With compassionate insight, Schutt explores the divide between those like Clive and Dinah who seem to prosper in love and those like Ned and Isabel who feel themselves condemned to yearn for it.’ — Grove Atlantic

 

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Excerpt

Such exorbitant crying! Just when the old woman thought she had stopped crying, the girl would start again. The sound raised in the old woman gladness and amazement, and she lay awake to listen, but all she heard was crying; the rest she made up.

Infidelity? Boredom?

The old woman went downstairs to turn off the lights left on for the young couple now upstairs. She went close to the registry to see their names, but decided not to look.

What else did the old woman let herself know?

Their car was like everyone’s car. New York plates. They were a couple; they had signed in under the same name. The girl’s name started with a large and upright I, but she was not wearing a ring and the boy stood apart as if he were single. They were traveling to East Blue Hill but for how long was a question they had answered differently. The girl said maybe six weeks; the boy said three.

The boy, the old woman thought, was very pretty. A girl would cry over losing him, but this much?

The girl’s kind of crying was at a pitch that befitted a graver occasion. The girl’s crying was wholehearted, a baby’s kind, in no way self-conscious; but unlike a baby’s crying, the girl’s had nothing to do with discomfort or hunger. Hers was purely announced sorrow.

The old woman had heard and so had the old man.

The old man, the next morning, looking at the ceiling, asked, “What was that last night?”

The old woman shook her head and said, “Wasn’t it terrible?”

“So she wasn’t moaning?”

“Honestly,” the old woman said, and she looked back at where he lay with his hands behind his head. This was crying, the sound of which made the old woman believe that she, the girl, was in the right. Whatever cause was being fought, the girl deserved to win for her sincerity. Her swept, stripped crying was like an empty room, the boxy shadows on the walls, the unfaded parts against which beds and desks had pressed. Whoever had lived there, slept there, adjusted in front of a mirror there, was dead.

The rooms left by the old woman’s dead are all yet unused. The closets are full; in a laundry basket still are her father’s best shoes in shoe trees, a box, tissue paper.

Spendthrift mourner.

Ten years come August. She should clear out Daddy’s room to add a room to the Wax Hill B&B.

Ed and Aura’s is a farmhouse laddered with additions and trellises of clematis and roses; the inside walls are thin; the floors, slant. The rooms the Kyles let are low-ceilinged in the way of farmhouses, but the best of these, with the morning light, Aura gave to this couple. Aura gave the couple the whitest room because of the girl but also because of the boy. Aura had looked at the two when they were reading the brochures Aura always gives to guests. Aura considered their faces — they were probably not so young, not a girl and a boy, though she was of an age that turned everyone under forty into girls and boys, and so, too, these guests. The girl’s straight eyebrows, her wide-open expression, the girl’s face and the boy’s face — she would not tire of looking at them.

No matter. The couple left the next morning. They left before breakfast, which Aura thought was wasteful.

Age is some of the story. Aura has a spot on her hand that she is watching grow. Halved in a fold of skin for a time, it has looked like shadow, but now the spot is larger and outstandingly itself; nevertheless, Aura believes only she knows the brown declivity for what it is.

Ed is eighty-two and proud of it.

 

 

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p.s. Hey. ** Adem Berbic, Hm, Seeing a car explode doesn’t seem that out of the ordinary to me, but I did grow up in car central. ‘Vengeance is Mine’, I can’t remember if I’ve seen it off the top of my head. This weekend I watched ‘Ice Cream Man’, which all the critics are excoriating at the moment, but I thought it was simple, gory fun. I think your fear is just a paranoia thing, or that’s the only way I can explain it. ** _Black_Acrylic, I would be literally shocked if that Jorvik Viking Centre dark ride is even remotely scary. Well, I hugely hope that this time enough people are smart and non-lazy enough to cause that Zoom writing class to happen. I and many others need to feel the heat from your Renaissance! Having a deep aversion to nostalgia for whatever reason, I’ll continue to watch for your ‘Shards’ reports. ** voskat, Hi. I’m safe, as far I can tell, and reasonably swell, thank you. Laura’s summer is the enemy. I pray that it’s only being kept alive by the heat, which would seem to be in its death throes, although you wouldn’t know it over here where we’re about to slide into yet another fucking heatwave. I will say hi to L. on Insta. Least I can do. I haven’t hunted for that post yet. Thanks for the reminder. xo. ** Steve, We’re apparently heading into another awful several days-long heatwave starting tomorrow or possibly even later today. Luck with yours. My weekend was mostly catching up on stuff. As I said above, I did watch ‘Ice Cream Man’. I really don’t get the critical vendetta against that film. It’s simple old school gory fun. What, critics want Eli Roth to turn into Christopher Nolan or something? New show! Everyone, The latest episode of Steve’s ‘Radio Not Radio’ is alive and on the move here. Steve: ‘Get up close and personal with a xenomorph to Icelandic industrial punk, go-go, musique concrete, church organs and more! This one features ROHT, Portraits Of Tracy, Charli XCX, Madamloss, The Need, The Tubs, Gentles, Worldpeace DMT, Odor Eater, Zoh Amba, Bill Hsu, Terry Riley/Claire Chase/JACK Quartet, Pino Donaggio, Midori Hirano, Beatriz Ferreyra, Michael Cloud Duguay, Cinna Peygahmy, Toru Takemitsu, Babal, wit., haru matsui, Sayf, Leo, NTFL & PVSSY, Sarah Sampp, Akiid and Trouble Funk.’ Nice line-up. Bill Hsu is in the house! Whoop! Thanks. Scurry through the heat as best you can. ** Rentedrooms, The Thriller dark ride was fun the first two times I rode it, but they really need to fork out the money for a new one. OC Fair, nice. My favorite things about the Pomona fair are the old school things like the ‘dinner place setting’ contest winners display, the creative cake making winners display, the pig races, and so on. And the stomach curdling food, of course. I don’t think I’ve seen that Manson movie, but I’ll check. Seems like I must’ve though. Weekend mostly passed the time, but at least we were still in between heat waves. Yours? Big up! ** Alice, Hi to you, Alice! Improved income is the Zeus head! Congrats! I like the Beach Boys, of course. Favorite … well, after ‘Smile’, their masterpiece, I’m very fond of the trio of albums that followed it — ‘Wild Honey’, ‘Friends’, and ’20/20′. I watched ‘Adieu au language’ again recently, and it really does make 95% of the films that have been released since it seem little more than timid and conservative. I’ll remember to follow _.hurryupandspinmeee._. Wait, hold on … I just did. Very happy to learn that you’re excited. Have a blast-plus in London if I don’t confer with you again before then. ** laura w, Hi. Yes, I played the first two ‘Luigi’s Mansion’ games. In the second one I reached a boss who was impossible for me to beat, so I quit, and now I’m wary of the third one. But I liked them while they were friendly to me. My tabac hasn’t closed for vacation yet strangely. Maybe it won’t go on vacation! My criteria for plane films is Blockbusters that I haven’t watched yet, which happily is most of them. That’s basically all I want on planes. And mainstream horror movies, although planes are pretty stingy with them. My weekend, as stated above, was fairly whatever but okay. It wasn’t too hot, which it is starting to be again today, so just not sweating and having to glare angrily at the sky made the two days okay. ** Steeqhen, I’m so sorry about your dog. Nature fucked up when it gave dogs shorter than human lives. It seems possible that ‘Castration Movie’ is on ok.ru or rarefilmm by now. Yep, I get a namecheck in ‘Totally Fucked Up’. Gregg and I used to know each other in LA back in the day. He wanted me to play a role in one of his films — ‘The Living End’ — but I declined. No regrets. ** HaRpEr //, Haha, Franzen as The National of contemporary lit. I think if he got called the Arcade Fire of contemporary lit, he’d think that was the coolest thing ever, haha. Well, you know how I feel about book tightening. Within reason. ‘Ingrid Caven’, excellent! I think Schuhl’s first novel is finally going to be translated and published by Semiotext(e) one of these years. ** Uday, I don’t think I’ve ever been scared by a horror movie. Or not since I was 6 years old or something. You’re almost out of there. Yeah, enjoy the tail end. Why does veganism have fascist connotations there? If you can say. Odd. Although I guess a lot of Americans probably think so too. ** Right. Today I spotlight a book by one of American fiction’s very best sentence writers, Christine Schutt. Have a look. See you tomorrow.

Jörg Buttgereit Day *

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Infamous primarily on the strength of his shocking 1987 debut feature Nekromantik, German director Jörg Buttgereit was born to make horror films. His grandmother bought him horror trading cards while he was a kindergartner in Berlin, and for his first communion gift, he received a Super-8 camera.

‘At age 14, he made his first short films, and by the time he was 19, the future enfant terrible of the German underground was already creating controversy by showing concentration camp footage with his questionable 1982 short Blutige Exzesse im Fuhrerbunker. For the next several years, Buttgereit honed his talent with a series of increasingly disturbing shorts, picking up what would form the core of his repertory company (Daktari Lorenz, Manfred O. Jelinski, Beatrice M., Franz Rodenkirchen, and others) along the way.

‘Then came Nekromantik, an uncompromisingly grim and savagely appalling study of an Autobahn worker (Lorenz) whose progressive mental collapse leads to grave robbing, necrophilia, and a final ghastly act of suicidal masturbation which became the genre’s most talked-about gross-out scene for nearly a decade.

‘After the less caustic Der Todesking and the disappointing Nekromantik 2, it was a generally held opinion that Buttgereit would never match the ferocious audacity of his debut.

‘Then came 1993’s Schramm, and such premature dismissals were quickly laid to rest. The obsessively claustrophobic study of a necrophilic serial killer (Florian Koerner von Gustorf) who nails his penis to a table and fantasizes vaginal monsters while he isn’t sodomizing nude corpses, Schramm instantly reinvigorated the ebbing Buttgereit cult, solidifying the young director’s reputation as one of the few genuinely disturbing voices in contemporary graphic horror.’ — Robert Firsching

 

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Further

Jörg Buttgereit Site
Jörg Buttgereit @ IMDb
JB @ Facebook
Sex Murder Art: The Films Of Jorg Buttgereit
JB @ letterboxd
Love & Death: The Films of Jörg Buttgereit
Horror-Liebhaber Jörg Buttgereit im Interview
The horror of the Nazi past in the reunification present: Jörg Buttgereit’s Nekromantiks
NEKROMANTIK: INTERVIEW WITH JÖRG BUTTGEREIT

 

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Extras


Trailer “Kannibale und Liebe” (theater play)


Frankenstein in Hiroshima (Radioplay, 2002)


What is a Cult Film – Jörg Buttgereit

 

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Interview

 

Virginie Sélavy: What’s your reaction to the fact that Nekromantik is getting an official Blu-ray release in the UK?

Jörg Buttgereit: The idea of releasing it on Blu-ray is something we had in mind for quite a while. It took ages because we did our old master from the Super8 film stock, which is not negative but positive film stock, because Super8 is made for daddy’s home films from the 70s, so you don’t have a negative. It was a lot of annoying work and I felt, what’s the use, because I prefer the movie to look very dirty (laughs). But when you transfer Super8 film stock to HD material there is not more depth, and there is no 3D effect, you get more dirt and more grain, so I’m happy (laughs).

That Super8 look is very important to the film.

I think so too. When I saw the dailies – as we say (laughs) – of Nekromantic, which was not the dailies, because when you shot on Super8, it took two weeks for the films to come back… so after two weeks, I saw the footage and I felt that it looked too normal and not dirty enough, so I was a little bit worried. So when we made film prints for the cinema in 16mm (this was a blow-up), we made sure we did it on a certain kind of film stock so the movie had this kind of greenish look, which looked dirtier, and the black looked more right in my opinion. But one curious thing happened. When we put out the film on VHS in Germany there were a lot of bootlegs in the US. I read reviews in magazines – because the internet was not there, this was 27 years ago – that said, ‘the movie looks so strange and it’s very dark’, and the viewer had the impression that they were watching real corpses. And I thought, well, it always works for the movie if you don’t see the real picture. I remember when I got my first Texas Chainsaw 2 VHS from the Netherlands, I couldn’t see anything. It was just darkness and noises, and I thought, what’s happening in that movie? I was totally fascinated. It’s the opposite of a movie experience today.

What did you think when you saw it properly?

It looked a little like a TV movie to me! It’s so bright! The first Texas Chain Saw is also very bright but it’s shot on 16mm so it still looks dirty. There was a hazing, they sprayed dust in the air, and it’s something that I did excessively when I did my episode for German Angst, my new movie that’s going to be finished at the end of the year. That film was shot on HD in CinemaScope so I wanted to make sure that it looked like a film and it looked dirty, so we did a lot of hazing. I was really afraid of seeing everything in HD.

The contrast that comes from using a home movie format and the subject matter is great. But using Super8 also makes Nekromantik look like an underground film, like those of the Kuchar brothers. It seems much closer to those films than to a straight horror film.

That was our thing, it is an underground film. The inspiration came from seeing Throbbing Gristle live in Berlin during that time, and watching John Waters’s movies, like Pink Flamingos, and having the book Film as a Subversive Art. And me being a big fan of old horror movies like Bride of Frankenstein. So it doesn’t work as a horror movie, there’s no tension, it’s terrible in that way – it’s terrible in a lot of ways… (laughs)

And as in underground film, you use non-actors who have a very unique presence. Daktari Lorenz has that weird wired energy, and it’s almost as if he’s not acting but just being himself.

Yes, I wasn’t trying to make them act. I was aware of the fact that they couldn’t deliver any lines and I couldn’t deliver good writing. I started doing good scripts when I started doing plays for German radio, but the first was in 2000. Until that time I wasn’t really sure if I could write good dialogue. Now I’m doing comic books, like Captain Berlin. That’s dialogue stuff I grew up with, very 70s, it’s something I can deliver very fast. So dialogue is something that I’m more able to deliver now. But these people who were acting in the film were just my friends, so how could they act? The film was never planned to be seen outside of my circuit. It was done mainly for this punk-rock-spirit audience inside Berlin. We were in this walled city so I didn’t even dare to take the movie and drive out of the city with it because there was the wall and they would have searched you, so it would have been impossible to screen outside of Berlin. With my short films I did stuff like this. But with Nekromantik I didn’t dare until the wall came down, which was two years later.

Did you not have more ambition for the film than just screening it within your circle?

Ambition maybe, but I was aware of the fact that it was impossible to reach this kind of audience. How could I, there was no internet. I’d only made short films before, that was Hot Love, which is also one on the Blu-ray. With Hot Love I did a tour through Germany. That was the only thing that was a little bigger than anything else I’d done before. I went to 10 different cities, in the West of course.

How do you see Nekromantik now? When you introduced the FrightFest screening in August, you seemed surprised that people were interested.

I’m amazed that it gets so much… not attention, because I understand why it gets attention. The poster we did back in 87 is an attention-grabber, but the movie doesn’t deliver on the poster. It does something else, and that’s nice, but I would never dare to hope that it really works. When I see the film I have to laugh. I see some stupid little kids trying to do a horror movie, or trying not to laugh in front of the camera. There’s a new de-noised soundtrack on the Blu-ray and in the first shot, where you see the legs and the panties coming down and then a girl is pissing, if you listen you can hear me laughing behind the camera. That’s how I approached the movie.

I think it is part of the appeal of the film, this anarchic charm, the gleeful pleasure at showing the most disgusting things possible.

I think maybe where we were ahead of ourselves was in the fact that the movie pretends that everything you see is normal. There is no justification, there is no chain-smoking police guy divorced from his wife who is uninteresting, but is there to put law and order into place. The fact that the corpse-loving scene is depicted in a way every normal love scene would have been, with piano music, with slow motion, all the clichés, I think that’s the trick, and that’s what gets people worried. Today Betty is like some emo goth chick, but back in 87 there was no such thing. There was no Tim Burton, no Johnny Depp. I was having fights with people about the fact that the main actress is in the bathtub with sunglasses on. That was actually like making fun of goth chicks before goth chicks were invented (laughs).

The way the music undermines all the romantic clichés is brilliant. You use the music similarly in Hot Love and Nekromantik 2, and running through those three films there is the same disillusioned view of love.

That’s what I was struggling with. If you see the introduction for Hot Love, it’s a revenge against my girlfriend who had left me. And the film is called Nekromantik, you can see it’s a combination of two extremes. Other horror films have the same topic, love and death, but nobody was going straight for the meaning of the word. To me, it’s about a very naïve part of you. I like innocence. And if a necrophile is having sex with a corpse and his girlfriend, then it should be presented from his point of view, that’s the interesting thing. I had some trouble explaining all these things. Two years ago I did a stage production on Edward Gein, the grave robber, so I had to sell it to the authorities by saying that this case is a cultural thing, it’s the basis for Psycho, Texas Chain Saw, Silence of the Lambs. But what fascinates me in this case, and this also became an inspiration for Nekromantik, is the naivety and the childish appearance of this guy called Ed Gein. One and a half years ago I went to his grave and I made a short film there. It’s not on the Arrow disc but it’s on the German Blu-ray. It’s called A Moment of Silence at the Grave of Ed Gein. So you can see that I deal with these people in this sort of sensitive way. I don’t think you can learn anything from them if you just deal with them as monsters. And that’s the same as Nekromantik. You have to care about them, otherwise the movie will be boring. And if you don’t give them a Jodie Foster character in Silence of the Lambs, or someone who can deliver them from evil, then you have to make these so-called bad people sympathetic.

You do that very well in both Nekromantik films and also in Schramm, which is an astonishing serial killer portrait.

I’m trying to do the same thing on stage now in Germany. I found a topic that’s very much fitting because last year I did a German version of The Elephant Man, and that’s exactly the same thing. You have this deformed man and everybody thinks he’s gruesome, but he isn’t. It was very revealing to do that on a stage and to have a different audience. Because The Elephant Man is something that people would go to even if they don’t know who I am, so I have a lot of normal people in the theatre. And they were surprised that the production was so sensitive, that’s what the critics said. Of course they have this picture of me, they see the movie, they don’t see the person. They were saying, ‘we’re so surprised that your stage version of The Elephant Man is so sensitive’. That’s an insult when you think about it, but I was still happy!

A lot has been made of the necrophilia, but the rabbit scene remains the most disturbing scene in the film.

Because you know it’s real. For me it was important to have real death in the film, being inspired by underground movies that deal with this kind of thing. I was always annoyed by people explaining why they watch horror movies – ‘because we like special effects’. And I didn’t want to have that excuse for my movie. The scene is there to make people aware of what they’re watching, and to make people sensitive about why they’re watching it. Because when you watch footage like this, sooner or later you will begin to ask yourself, why am I watching this? That was something I was asking myself. I didn’t have all the answers but it’s a movie, I just made it with my friends. I had this guy who was a producer and was giving me all these facilities, but I did everything on my own, I experimented, I had nothing to worry about in terms of budget because nobody was paid anyway. So we were trying stuff out, which is the opposite of the experience of making films nowadays – or in general.

You said you made the film in reaction to German censorship at the time. What reaction did you expect?

With the first Nekromantik nothing really happened because nobody noticed that the film was there. In Berlin we had two film prints and it was screened at three cinemas. One cinema shared one print by driving around all the time. Only people who already knew me and who were from this underground scene watched the film, so nothing happened. People were a little worried that the film was too serious – that was the first reaction. The first review I read was in a gay magazine, saying that this was the first movie about AIDS, because people are going to bed with the dead now, and that wasn’t something I was thinking about. So I was totally surprised by people taking the film seriously and thinking that it was about AIDS.

Did you agree with that interpretation?

I didn’t have that in mind when I did the script, which wasn’t really a script, it was about 20 pages of scribbling. But of course AIDS was a big thing during that time. I knew people who were suffering from AIDS so it was in my head. If something is in the zeitgeist then it will show up in the things you do, I think. So I agreed with it but I was also surprised by it. And it goes on until today. I read reviews explaining my films and I wonder… (laughs)

What’s the weirdest explanation of Nekromantik that you have come across?

I think the strangest, and on the other hand the most convenient, interpretation was done by this film historian when we were in court with Nekromantik 2. The first Nekromantik was shot in the West side of Berlin before the wall came down, and after it came down we shot Nekromantik 2 in the East part. So the thesis is that Nekromantik 2 is art compared to Nekromantik because it’s a film about the decaying East German part of Berlin (laughs). That explanation saved me from going to jail and having the movie destroyed, so I really embraced it. And of course it was a conscious decision to shoot in East Berlin because everything looked so dead and so old over there, like the 60s, or 50s even. All the outside shots look strange, it was like a movie shot in the past. So that was the weirdest explanation, but it’s also true because it documents a version of Berlin that is not there anymore. But the main reason was of course that we could shoot in East Berlin with no money. I wanted to do all these petting zoo scenes, so we went to the West Berlin zoo because they have much nicer animals and they told us it was 350 Deutschmarks an hour. We went to the East German zoo and they told us it was 50 pence a day, because they weren’t used to professional camera teams. You could take your home camera there and film for the whole day for 50 pence. There was no capitalist concept in East Berlin, they didn’t ask for money. So we paid nothing for shooting outside, it was heaven. It took a while for East Berlin to get a hold of the rhythm of the West, but all the West Berlin people were going to the East and doing stuff there, so it was like tourism what we did (laughs).

At the FrightFest screening you also mentioned another interpretation that was given of the film, which was that it’s about the unearthing of Germany’s past. Do you see it that way?

I know that depicting death in German movies is a problem because of the German past. And if you watch my earlier short film, Bloody Excess in the Leader’s Bunker, which is not as good as the title, together with Nekromantik, you could come to that conclusion. But to me it’s more about Ed Gein than about concentration camps.

But there are references in Der Todesking and Schramm too, so do you think it runs through the background of everything you do?

Nazi trash was something that was part of the punk rock spirit – Sid Vicious was running around in Paris with a swastika. Something like this would have got you in jail in Berlin at once. So doing a film like Bloody Excesses in the Leader’s Bunker… I did a premiere of that film in 1982 in a punk rock club, Risiko, with Blixa Bargeld from Einstürzende Neubauten at the bar and the police came to check if it was a neo-Nazi meet-up. So over there it was daring to use these symbols because even now it is forbidden to use these images.

Is that why the German authorities have such a problem with horror?

Yes I think so. Under the Nazis you had this clean screen thing, there was no dead body during the Nazi occupation, no dead body on the screen. It was just Heimat films, stupid propaganda movies, something like what you would get in North Korea today. And for some reason until today something that is connoted as horror is only possible in the underground, and you need a very good excuse to deal with this kind of matter. So for me it’s only possible to work in this field if I do it for the radio or on the stage. I did a play on Ed Gein for the stage, it would have been impossible to do it for the screen. Because there would have been no money. But for the stage I had lots of money to do it.

Is that why you stopped making films for the cinema after Schramm?

We did four feature films with no money, so as it was like what Throbbing Gristle did once with all their fans, they sent them a postcard, ‘the mission is terminated’ (laughs). I had everything, the movies were banned, the police raided my home, I was labelled an artist in court, and Schramm was nominated for a German film prize. It was the right moment to stop because it wasn’t subversive anymore. And everybody was running out of money. Because getting our money back like today with Blu-ray editions was not possible.

You said in an interview that you like to disappoint people’s expectations. Is that how you would define your general attitude?

It’s a natural reaction I have. When the first Nekromantik came out it had this strange success, people were demanding Nekromantik 2, and of course it should have been even more gross. To me that just felt so predictable and stupid that we came up with Der Todesking, which everybody was disappointed with in the first place. Later on, we gave them Nekromantik 2, which was also very disappointing because it’s even more romantic than the first one. It’s a natural reaction because I don’t like to be told what to do, in terms of what I’m allowed to do from the censorship boards, but also from the audience (laughs). It’s a childish reaction maybe. Nekromantik 2 is full of jokes about what people expect, this art movie on the ceiling in black and white, it’s all stuff people who were waiting for Nekromantik 2 hated. And only after the film was banned did they try to rethink, and they liked it then. You can never trust the critics or the fans. If you give them what they expect they will tell you that you don’t have any new ideas. If you don’t give them what they expect they have another reason to be disappointed (laughs). But in the long run it’s always more interesting to play around with a concept.

It’s interesting that it seems to define your relationship with both the censors and the fans.

Because to me the so-called artistic freedom is very important. And this freedom can’t be harmed by a fan wanting to have ‘Nekromantik 10’ and also by a guy who says, this tape should be burned. In the end it’s the same for me.

 

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17 of Jörg Buttgereit’s 45 films

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Manne The Mowie (1981)
‘A drunk sloppy person watches rugby (football?), pees in public, and tips over.’


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Mein Papi (1982)
Mein Papi was first produced in 1982 but seems to have been worked on up until the parent of its title’s death. A version was screened in Germany before showings of Natural Born Killers: compared to Stone’s cartoon provocations this cuts very deep indeed. Buttgereit dispassionately records his father’s descent from a young, handsome truck driver into a bloated tyrant, cataloguing a series of tumours that end with an image of Buttgereit pere slumped over in a chair, apparently dead.

‘What matters, though, is not the film’s veracity – and there is a lot in it that is clearly, grubbily real – but its effect. The pinkish, brownish Polaroid tones reminded me of Richard Billingham’s infamous photographs of his alcoholic father, though when Billingham put those in motion – in his Adam Curtis-produced film Fishtank – the affection with which they were taken became more obvious. There is no such reassurance in Mein Papi, which remains a hard, insular, troubling film.’ — Graham Williamson


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Der Trend (1982)
‘Punk fucking rock!’ — Kevin Riemersma


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Captain Berlin – Retter der Welt (1982)
‘This is where it all started… Jörg Buttgereit, a leading light of the West Berlin underground film scene, first brought his venerable superhero to the screen in CAPTAIN BERLIN SAVES THE WORLD, with the maestro himself donning cape, tights and mask as he fights evil and saves his own true love. In this film, Buttgereit himself plays Captain Berlin in a yellow jumpsuit with red briefs worn on the outside, capped off by a Spiderman mask and a repurposed flag worn as a cape. Clearly the product of a punk sensibility slamming head-on into a love of the 1960s “Batman” teevee show. The film is funny to watch but low on stuff like “production values,” “plot,” and “sense.”‘ — IMDb


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Bloody Excess in the Leader’s Bunker (1982)
‘Hitler introduces himself to the younger viewers who might be watching. From here the leader tries to bring back to life a couple dead bodies and soon he regrets the decision.’ — Michael Elliott


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w/ Manfred O. Jelinski So war das S.O.36 (1984)
‘A documentary about the now abandoned and very influential punk club S.O.36. A punk music club on Oranienstrasse near Heinrichplatz in the area of Kreuzberg in Berlin, Germany.’ — IMDb


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Horror Heaven (1984)
‘”Horror Heaven” is a compilation of early short videos, made by the goremaster Jörg Buttgereit, dedicated to Boriss Karloff. 1. Der mumie. 2. Frankenstein. 3. Die rache der mumie. 4. Gazorra: die bestie aud dem eridnnern.’


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Hot Love (1985)
‘Daktari Lorenz falls in eternal, blissfull love with Marion (Marion Koob) at a party. He is in heaven… but soon she dumps him and moves in with a tall, blond new lover (Jörg Buttgereit himself). Daktari vows bitter revenge. He rapes the girl thus creating a monster baby that will show Marion what “Present Me with Your Heart” literally means. Dark, brooding and violent, this movie, made in 1985, set the tone for NEKROMANTIK.’ — Johannes Schönherr

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Nekromantik (1987)
‘In the cult genre Nekromantik of Jörg Buttgereit is possibly one of the most discussed films. It was banned in several countries and only shown in theatres at rare occasions. One of the few screenings took place at London’s Scala during the Shock Around The Clock Festival (the forerunner of Fright Fest). Everyone who does something in the cult world, would like you to believe that he or she was there, but that’s probably hogwash. The truth is that a lot of people simply left the room, because Nekromantik is not only experimentally, it is also utterly repulsive.

‘Buttgereit does not understand why people see Nekromantik as a movie. It is an incoherent experiment that took two years to make and that looks like experimental films by industrial groups such as SPK or Throbbing Gristle. A joke that got out of hand. After the London screening the film got all kinds of reviews in fanzines (for the younger readers: magazines made by fans with the help of a photocopier) and the demand increased. There was no real distributor, and consequently the film appeared on the market as a bootleg, often as a copy of a copy, and the younger the generation, the lesser the quality. With the use of digital techniques, Jörg Buttgereit restored the film almost frame by frame (of course to the extent that thas is possible), and the result is now released on Arrow Video.’ — Didier Becu


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The Death King (1990)
‘Seven episodes, each taking place on a different day of the week, on the theme of suicide and violent death. The Body of a naked man floats in blackness. Slowly stretching out from a foetal position it begins to decompose. A little girl sits in the sun scribbling in a sketchbook. “Der Todesking” – deathking – she writes. Der Todesking, Jörg Buttgereit’s second full-length feature film, has no central character or characters, but instead thematic continuity in the act of suicide. Divided into days of the week, it comprises a series of set-pieces, each featuring the self-destruction of a complete stranger.’ — film affinity


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Nekromantik 2 (1991)
‘A female nurse desperately tries to hide her feelings of necrophilia from her new boyfriend, but still has pieces of the corpse of the first movie’s hero in her possession.’ — letterboxd


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Nekromantik 2 Behind the Scenes with Commentary (German)

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Schramm (1993)
‘Jörg Buttgereit takes you into the twisted mind of a deranged sex killer in the deeply disturbing SCHRAMM. Lothar Schramm, the so-called “Lipstick Killer”, lies dying in a pool of blood and paint. As he expires, fragments of his life flash before his eyes – his uneasy friendship with the prostitute that lives next door; the brutal slaughter of a pair of doorstep evangelists whose bodies he poses in obscene fashion; his unhealthy pastime of hammering nails into his own manhood.’ — Von Joerg


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Captain Berlin Vs Hitler (2009)
‘In 2007 Buttgereit went back behind the lens to film a feature-length project which would undoubtedly be his most ambitious to date. Based upon the character who originally appeared in a ten-minute short created by him in 1982, CAPTAIN BERLIN VERSUS HITLER is in fact a stage play, shot over three days in front of a live audience at Berlin’s Hebbel Am Ufer theatre in November 2007 and during post-production infused with special optical effects for limited theatrical release in 2009.

‘The story goes that after the Nazis took power during 1933, the resistance took great pains in searching for a solution to end Adolf Hitler’s evil dictatorship. They formulated a plan to bio-engineer super-human assassins, eventually finding their man in one ‘Captain Berlin’ (Jürg Plüss). However, Berlin’s attempt on the life of the fuehrer was unsuccessful, subsequently forcing him to go underground and adopt a new identity.’ — Kevin Gilvear


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Monsterland (2009)
Monsterland journeys through time and around the world, exploring diverse monster types, from the origins of the latex monster in devastated postwar Japan to the aliens and serial murderers of 1980s American cinema, and on to the rise of King Kong’s digital descendants in the face of 21st-century terrors. One after another, a broad spectrum of monsters emerges that mirrors the range of our fears and longings. With the nostalgic gaze of a monster fan, Monsterland traces the history of the genre while probing the deep-seated human fear of, and longing for, violence and destruction. From this kaleidoscope of terror comes the sweet chill that only a true monster can send down one’s spine.’ — snd films


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A Moment of Silence at the Grave of Ed Gein (2013)
‘Exactly what it says on the tin, which makes it devoid of any of its own commentary potentially either a memorial to a man who as part of wider true crime culture is perhaps best left forgotten or a moment to contemplate the loss of life he caused. The purpose is likely to invite this consideration, but it is essentially empty. Amusing this even has credits.’ — Perran Helyes

 

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Green Frankenstein (2013)
‘A mix between stage play, radio play and Japanese monster movie.’ — letterboxd


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Schweinchen (2021)
SCHWEINCHEN (Piglets), a 20 minute short film, documents a decompositon study conducted by forensic biologist Dr. Mark Benecke under the artistic guidance of famed director Jörg Buttgereit. Disclaimer: No animals were hurt in the making of this film; they all died natural deaths before filming started.’ — Arrow Films


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p.s. Hey. ** Adem Berbic, I don’t make it easy on people with data allowances, it’s true. Uh, well, I think I’ve seen a few cars explode maybe, but the one I was referring to was when I was a kid. A friend of my parents drove into our driveway and parked. His hood was smoking. He went inside to call AAA. I was in the front yard for some reason, and the car suddenly exploded. Pieces flew everywhere, but luckily not onto me, and the ruins burned. Neighbors gathered.  Car owner was very upset. That’s kind of it. It was nice. You can order Sam’s book from bookshop.org. Here. Intruding on what with what? ** _Black_Acrylic, Well, it’s a little bit of a ways from you but there’s a pretty cool looking dark ride called ‘The Time-Capsule Ride’ at JORVIK Viking Center in York? I’m going to let you be my scout re: ‘The Shards’ TV series given my TV phobia. I hope it keeps it up. ** magkneesiumm, You’ve ridden Whacky Shack! Wow. It’s legendary in the dark ride aficionado community. Envy, bud. Amazing, yum. ** Pro Marbella Photos, I think you’re a bot? How did you get in here? Apologies if I’m wrong. ** Uday, This one made it inside obviously. Strange, sorry for whatever part this blog played in evil doorman-ing you. “Fernando’, nice. Next time sing ‘As Good as New’. If you want. ** Rentedrooms, Hi! Welcome, and thank you for gracing here. So lucky: you. The annual summer Paris fete foraine is happening right now just down the street from me, but there’s no dark ride this year, which is shocking, even though their usual fete foraine dark ride is a terrible, hugely outdated Michael Jackson ‘Thriller’-themed one. Still. I’ll look for the pix, thank you. I’ve never been to the Orange County Fair, weirdly, But the Los Angeles one in Pomona is really quite good. Ever been? How are you? ** laura w., The portable kind of dark ride is very popular over here in the EU. There’s rarely a traveling carnival here without at least one. And then of course Paris Disney has ‘Peter Pan’ and ‘Pinocchio’ and those sorts of ones, but that’s a US import so. I’ve always wanted to live in a dark ride, I mean convert one into living quarters but keeping the decor and the car/track as the entrance and exit. Superhero movies are a salvation on long plane flights, a lot due to their excessive length and intent to create mindless passivity. Otherwise, meh. It’s quiet, maybe too quiet here, but that’s August. A lot of happy, wandering tourists. That’s kind of uplifting. ‘Holy Boy’ … maybe I’ll peek at it? How was your weekend? What happened? ** Corey, Well, hello there, sir! That dark ride performance piece does sound extremely cool. Wow. Kind of heavenly even. I’m good, busy with the usual film stuff mostly and friends visiting from the US and elsewhere. You sound like you’re on top of awesome things. Obviously, the micro cinema is particularly enticing. Great, I’m happy you’ve found an exciting creative groove. Big up from up here. ** Carsten, Well, yeah, essentially, but they aren’t necessarily scary, or not always. There are mellow, kind of dreamy ones that drift you through physicalised imaginary landscapes, and the cartoony Disney dark ride variety sans scares. After8 rules. Sure, you can approach them re: carrying your book when the time comes. They’re going to move into larger quarters in, I think, October, which will be good because they were just telling me the other day that they’ve had to limit the books they can stock due to their space being overly jam packed. ** Steve, Yes, I did, and it was not a good idea. Being rushed around and shaken up while on acid is counterproductive to say the least. It’s out! Everyone, Steve has released a new EP under his callinamagician moniker called ‘Electroacoustic Mammals’, and it can be listened to and scored via bandcamp here. No, as almost always, I spaced out that yesterday was bandcamp Friday. I really need to plant a Post-It in my line of sight. ** Diesel Clementine, Hi. Their cheapness is part of their charm and appeal if you get into the genre as an art thing. I saw an email from you, yes. I’ll get to it asap. Thanks! ** HaRpEr //, The way portable dark rides can be folded until they’re just big rectangular boxes, towed to another location and unfolded again is probably my favorite thing about them. That’s especially exciting to think about while you’re riding around inside them. Also that, yeah, they look unsafe but aren’t. That’s exciting too. It seems like Franzen has become only a big deal to the NYT and other big literary arbiter places. Almost no one of interest talks about him or seemingly reads him at this point as far as I can tell. It’s kind of like how big music coverage/reviews magazines and sites still treat everything U2 puts out like it’s a major event. ** Sam F, My pleasure, sir, and I’m chuffed that it made sense. Enjoy your Saturday and even your Sunday, come to think of it. ** Thom, I am 100% in favor of your Dark Ride-centric music project idea, needless to even say. This might be kind of dumb since I’m not a magician, but I’ve wondered if a field recording made while riding a dark ride, start to finish, might not be fodder for something interesting or even maybe interesting as a composition in and of itself? Good, then I’ll be watching your comments wearing my fiction writer hat from here onwards like a veritable hawk. ** Okay. Something came over me and I decided to not only restore Jörg Buttgereit Day but give it the weekend slot. Wth?! See you on Monday.

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